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starting right now on "this week" with george stephanopoulos. >> we're fighting for every last city and every last person. >> ready for battle. with less than 60 days to go, hillary clinton under fire for her candid comments. >> you could put half of trump's supporters into what i call the basket of deplorables. the racist, sexist, homophobic. xenophobic. islamaphobic, you name it. >> they are not a basket of anything. they are americans. and they deserve your respect. and donald trump taking heat for praising putin. >> if he says great things about me, i'm going to say great things about him. >> he prefers the russian president to our american president. it is scary.
>> with the clock ticking, our brand-new poll shows she's held back by questions of honesty. he's struggling to convince voters he's qualified. we talk to both sides. former mayor rudy july janny and general john allen. plus -- ? >> how the tragic 9/11 attacks shaped our country. jeh johnson is here live. stephanopoulos. good morning, on this 15th anniversary of 9/11, the deadliest attack ever on american soil. we all remember where we were on that traumatic day. today, we remember and honor the thousands lost that morning. and the thousands more who sacrificed their lives in the wars that followed. [ bell tolls ]
>> that was the moment of silence at 8:46. the time when that first plane hit the north tower of the world trade center. bells tolling across new york city. across the country. and the names of the fallen now being read by family members of the victims. later in the program, we'll go to the pentagon, also attacked that day. president obama will be there to honor the fallen. we'll bring that to you live. but now we move on to the politics of the moment. and our brand-new poll from abc news and "the washington post." the top line, hillary clinton has a five-point lead in this four-way race. 46 to 41 over donald trump. gary johnson at 9%. jill stein at 2%. that five-point lead down a bit from her eight-point lead last month. clinton now holds a ten-point lead among all registered voters. holding trump back, big questions about whether he's ready for the job.
more on qualifications, temperament. and consistency. she has the edge on issues, too. but that's tight. a low single digit advantage of the economy, terrorism, and immigration. and questions about honesty are helping keepa thilatively close race. a record low 35% of voters find her honest and trustworthy. fewer, 31%, trust trump. right now, trump's backers are more passionate. 48% of his voters are very enthusiastic, compared to 36% for clinton. with that, let's bring in one of donald trump's key adviser, rudy giuliani. he was the mayor of new york during the 9/11 attacks. he was onthis week" the week following the attack. >> we don't want these cowardly terrorists to have us in any way alter our american way of life. this may go on for some time. we have to end terrorism. i believe the united states government is committed to that.
america to go about our way of life and not have them imperil it. >> and major giuliani joins us now. what is top of mind 15 years later? >> those words are just as true now as they were then. i have been to san bernardino. and i've been to the other places that have been attacked. and, you know, after that event, i happened to have been in london, a half a block away from the first bomb that went off in liverpool station. i've lived through a number of these since then. it's still -- i come away with the following lesson. resiliency is one of the three or four best defenses against and here's the best example of that. something i never believed would happen. twice as many people live in lower manhattan today than before september 11th. in the days after september 11th, i was working very hard to get businesses maybe threatening a little bit. american express decided to come back. merrill lynch decided to come back. i will always appreciate that because it was like a -- a
>> by most measures, americans are safer today. do you agree? >> i have always thought it was a mixed bag. not necessarily today but from the beginning. we're safer in certain ways. not as safe in other ways. here's the problem we have. it's almost true of wars. we're always fighting the last war. and then they figure a new one for us. terrorists are even more cunning than that. we're fighting the last battle. the attack of the airplane. is airplane safety much greater? yes. cargo safety much safer today? can't tell you that. are we dealing with a different paradigm? meaning there we were dealing with one major group, al qaeda. after going after the mafia and the colombian drug cartels, i can tell you, it's easier to go after a single organation than it is what we're facing today, and it is this islamic nation,
it's spread its tentacles all over the world, in 28 different countries. al qaeda never had the capacity to do that. these are better educated people. people who know us better. they come from france and germany and england and the united states. the al qaeda people were afghan warriors. great warriors, horrible people. but great warriors. they didn't have the ability to use the internet or infiltrate. so in some ways, we're safer. in some different situation. >> this is coming in the middle of the presidential campaign. donald trump and his team have jumped on the comments from hillary clinton the other night, where she labeled half of his supporters into a basket of deplorables. she said, she e went on to say this, though. she regretted saying the word half but said that what's really deplorable is that donald trump hired a major advocate for the so-called alt-right movement to run his campaign. it's deplorable that trump has built his campaign largely on prejudice and paranoia.
hateful views and voices. your response? >> today, i'm not going to respond to that. i have never done politics on september 11th even when i was running for president. i think the nicest thing and the best thing to say about this campaign is, i know hillary clinton. i know donald trump much better. neither one of them is a racist. and for either one to say that means they're getting a little too excited in their campaigning. both of them are good people. >> how about the issues of national security coming out this week? we have seen mr. trump take heat for praising vladimir putin. is it appropriate to do that? >> i don't think he did. and i think he clarified it the next day. he said, i don't want to talk politics. let me just explain this. what he said was, just because he flatters me doesn't mean he gets a better deal. you have to know donald trump.
say nice things about him. >> the same thing reagan and gorbachev did. they dealt with each other. it was the soviet union then. gorbachev was a killer just like putin is a killer. but that ended the cold war without firing a shot because reagan was capable of walking out of reykjavik. as trump made clear the other night in pensacola, he's perfectly capable of walking out on a deal if it's not the best interests of the united states. it wouldn't be the first time i've known donald for 28 years. generally, when he walks out of a deal, they come back on his terms, just like they did with reagan and reykjavik. so i think you have to see that in the context in which it's made. he has the negotiating ability. this is all prefaced by a day he talked about major increases in our armed forces. going up to 600,000 troops instead of going down to 420,000. going up to 350 battleships.
increasing our air force. modernizing our nuclear fleet. he'll be negotiating with putin the way reagan did, from a position of strength. rather than the president has negotiated with him from a position of weakness. running away from 12 red lines that he drew in the sand giving up the defense of poland and the czech republic. resetting the relationship with russia. >> to those officials that say putin is playing donald trump, your response? >> i would say he's played hillary clinton and president obama all over the world. before they came into office, he was in russia. he's in syria, brought in by obama. obama is the one that empowered him. not donald trump. donald trump wants to negotiate with him and push him back into a position in which we can deal with his effectively. >> you mentioned the strength of isis in iraq and syria. >> i didn't want to do it today. you're making me do it.
it is critical. and these are critical issues. >> they are. and they emerged from september 11th. >> they do. one of the things that donald trump said thursday was we should have taken the oil of iraq. even if you could do that practically, and most experts say you couldn't, wouldn't that just be theft? >> he said take it so the islamic state would not have had it available. >> he said leave a force back there and take it? >> leave a force back there and take it and make sure it's distributed in the proper way. >> that's not legal, is it? >> of course it is. it's a war. until the war is over, anything is legal. that oil becomes a very critical issue. if that oil wasn't there, we wouldn't have the islamic state. when he says thing like, obama and hillary were the founder of the islamic state, he doesn't mean literally that. he follows it by saying, they would get the mvp award. that oil is what makes the
had we held that oil, made sure that it was equitably distributed within iraq, we would have -- >> he said we should have taken it. >> he didn't say we should take it for ourselves, necessarily. he said secure it. we could have some say, some control over the distribution of it. one of the major problems is, between the kurds, sunnis, shiites, the oil and the distribution of it. if we're going to have lost as many peopl as we have in iraq, we should have had something to say about how the oil is distributed f distributed. maybe i wouldn't have anticipated. it would have been good if this had been done. if we had secured that oil, we would not be dealing with isis today. >> i want to ask you about a front page story in "the new york times" they quoted several of your former advisers saying they're worried about your
>> i would tell them. i get to see them tonight. i get together with the people. we were in a building together. we were missing for 20 minutes and governor pataki was really shocked when we called him. he said, i thought you were missing. we formed a great bond over that, by the way. we all get together tonight. i'm sure some of them will be there who anonymously leaked the story. as you remember anonymous leaks from your day back in the white house. they also always happen. i'll say to them, woy right now, i'm fighting from my point of view and what i believe, i'm fighting for my country. i believe there will be a major difference between the two of them. i don't like the way this administration has dealt with terrorism. i think they have put us too much on defense. there have been too many terrorist attacks in the last year. san bernardino happened less than a year ago. you start counting them from san
we're talking about a major escalation of terrorist attacks and a major proliferation of terrorist attacks. that i believe this administration has encouraged by being on defense. we're sitting back waiting for we should be on offense. when hillary said i'm not going to put any troops in, you might as well stop trying to deal with them. now they know you're a patsy. >> mr. mayor, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. and we're joined now by allen, he's a hillary supporter. thank you for joining us this morning. i want you to respond to some of the things major giuliani talked about. let's begin with the 15th anniversary of 9/11. your final years of service track your evolution of this threat over the last 15 years. >> it did, george. thank you for how abc acknowledged this day and the respectful manner in which it paid tribute to the families and
i want to say how much all of us remember and respect mayor giuliani and the example he set for all of us at one of the darkest moments in american history. i have, my career did, in fact, track much of this. on the fifth anniversary, i was on an advanced party in the al anbar province. getting ready for my own 13-month deployment. on the tenth anniversary. i was commanding the war effort in afghanistan. and today, i'm with you. but in the 15th year, i was the president's special envoy to the global coalition to counter isil. three different conflicts. 15 yea. three different enemies. it's been a long time. >> you heard major giuliani said isil, he said isis would not exist had we followed donald trump's advice and taken the oil, which he said would have been legal. your response? >> the two are completely separate.
existence of isil, or as the arabs call them daesh, there is only the remotest relationship between the two. let me tell you that what we face in the context of the global terrorist movement is a long-term problem with social, economic, and political issues across that region in the world. which has created such a widespread radicalization that sprung up over the years. it's not about the oil in iraq and the oil in syria. with respect to taking the oil, i seem to remember that the term to the victor goes the spoils. in the justification. you know, we -- we as a community of civilized nations stopped saying that and doing it years ago. we may have been able to help iran in the process of
and in fact we're doing that today in helping them with the oil refinery and others. but the presence of iraqi oil has had little to do with the emergence of isil. isil did in fact exploit the oil enterprise. it did so largely in syria, very little in iraq, if at all. so the two are separate and unrelated. >> major giuliani also talke about ground troops. let's listen. >> we're not putting ground troops into iraq ever again. and we're not putting ground troops into syria. we're going to defeat isis without committing american ground troops. >> as you know, we do have troops on the ground in iraq and in syria right now. setting that aside, is it wise for a potential commander in chief to make blanket statements like that? >> i think, george, we need to be clear on what she's implying.
and she and i have not spoked about this. but as i read it, she's implying she's not intending to have the united states be committed into another large ground war in that part of the world. you're exactly correct. there are a large number, over several thousand american and coalition partners on the ground today. and knowing her, as the potential and hopefully commander in chief, i know that she'll consult with her leadership and the commanders and will give them the resources necessary to be successful. we have chosen, and she has reiterated this, we have chosen that we intend to defeat daesh, isil through the use of indij use forces. iraqis on th one side and indigenous forces on the other. that's the route to permanent defeat. i believe she'll give the commanders what they need to be successful. >> that forum the other night, donald trump mentioned generals like you who served under
>> i think under the leadership of barack obama and hillary clinton, the general rams have been reduced to rubble. they've been reduced to a point where it's embarrassing for our country. >> what did you think when you heard those comments? >> um -- once again, i couldn't -- i shake my head. i don't feel much like rubble. i had the opportunity to participate in a full career. for several commanders in chief. as i look around at my peers, i won't go -- start naming names because i would spend the rest of your show doing it, for some of the finest leaders that america has ever put under stars, with whether they're admirals or generals. they're spectacular leaders. they've not been reduced to rubble. in fact, they're some of the finest leaders and national security specialists and authorities that this country has minted. in a generation. i was proud to serve with them. i'm proud to have them in their
they haven't been reduced to rubble, george. >> and he also says he'll ask the generals to come up with a plan to defeat isis. if he were to do that, would he get the plan we have today or something dramatically different? >> it's hard to say what the -- what the commander in chief would do. when he calls in his key advisers. would be to offer them h guidance, as is appropriate, as the commander in chief, for how he sees the conflict. of course, he wod he would offer them their guidance. and would give them some period of time to come back with their best advice. best military advice. this is key. this is why we have such fine leaders today. and the critical role that they play. they provide the commander in chief their best military advice. my guess would be, if he tasked general dunford and military
within 30 days, they would get from them, he would get from them their best military advice. >> general allen, thank you for joining us today. >> good to be with you, george. and thank you again for what you did for the legacy of this terrible day. >> thank you. lots more ahead on "this week." our powerhouse "roundtable" standing by to weigh in. and up next, homeland security secretary jeh johnson. from ground zero on this 15th anniversary of 9/11. we'll get his latest thoughts on russia's moves to meddle in our elections. safety doesn't come in a box. it's not a banner that goes on a wall. it's not something you do now and then. or when it's convenient. it's using state-of-the-art simulators to better prepare for any situation. it's giving offshore teams onshore support. and it's empowering anyone to stop a job if something doesn't seem right. at bp, safety is never being satisfied.
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passengers on 9/11 to protect the u.s. capitol. we're joined by homeland security secretary jeh johnson from ground zero. mr. johnson, thank you for joining us this morning. on anniversaries like this, we're so concerned about possible follow-on attacks. are you picking up any intelligence on an imminent threat? >> george, there's no specific credible intelligence around the programs that are going on today indicating any type of terrorist plot directed at these programs today. the point, however, is that in the current environment, we have to deal with the prospect of a lone wolf actor or self-radicalized actor. just saying there's no specific credible threat doesn't tell the whole story. that's why you see a lot of security out here today in new york city and in other places where we're observing 9/11.
question. the big question on a day like this. are we any safer than we were 15 years ago? i spoke to major rudy giuliani earlier. he talked about a mixed bag. safer in some ways. not safer in others. >> george, we're safer when it comes to protecting against another 9/11-style terrorist-directed attack from overseas. our law enforcement has become pretty good at connecting the dots when it comes to another overseas-based, terrorist-directed plot on our homeland. we're in a new environment, however. we have to be prepared against and try to prevent lone wolf style attacks. the self-radicalized actor. isil-aq have the ability to reach into our homeland through the internet to recruit and inspire. it makes for a more complicated homeland security environment.
government approach. not just military and law enforcement. homeland security, aviation security, and the like. that's the new environment we're in, george. >> we heard from donald trump that he believes one of the ways to lower the threat is to stop processing visas for countries that -- new level of screening tt he calls extreme vetting. >> we should only admit into this country those who share our values and respect our people. in the cold war, we had an ideological screening test. the time is overdue to develop a new screening test for the threats we face today. >> what is your response to that? >> george, we actually have a pretty intense form of vetting for refugees, immigrants coming from particular parts of the world who meet certain
for example, our syrian refugee program. the president wanted us to admit this year 10,000 syrian refugees. these are people, men, women, children, fleeing violence and terrorism in syria. and over the last year, we have added a whole bunch of security checks and precautions in vetting refugees. it requires some 18 to 24 months for each individual. and so we have in place now a lot of security around vetting process. we always evaluate whether threat environment. our vetting, when it comes to refugees, for example, is multilayered. and it's pretty thorough. >> what about the ideological test mr. trump is talking about? >> we always look for indications and we've enhanced our ability to look at this in social media.
radical, violent bent. there were some lessons learned recently where we believe we need to ramp up our looking at social media. we always look for indications of extremist, violent nature. that's what we do. we're getting better at it every day. we're going to keep working at it. ideology in and of itself, you have to define that a little better. we're determined to root out violent extremism. that's what we look for. >> our homeland is facing new cyberthreats including from russia. i wanted to ask about that. there's a rising chorus in congress saying the administration should publicly blame russia for hacking the dnc e-mail system, hold them influence our elections.o here's ben sass. a nebraska republican. he said the obama administration has a reason for not clearly attributing these hacks to russia, it contradicts their own cyberstrategy.
would invite response, that suggests that we're op rate issing from a position of weakness. they feel that failing to call out russia now will invite future attacks. >> well, george, the -- there's still an investigation around the dnc hacks. the message i've been sending to state and local election officials is that there's a range of cyberactors out there that right now. not just nation state. but criminal hackers. a activists. we have to do our best to protect our election system. our election process. and dhs, my department, is in position to provide assistance if they ask for it. we're having that conversation with state and local authorities right now. we can do vulnerability assessments. the question of attribution is a complicated one. the investigation into the dnc
>> are we in danger of having a foreign power influence or alter our vote? >> we're concerned about the potential for someone to try to penetrate our election systems to the extent that they're online on the internet. obviously, we're very concerned about what happened with the dnc. and it would be very hard to actually alter a ballot count. so decentralized. there's some 9,000 jurisdictions. state and local, involved in the election process. national, state, and local elections. we're concerned to the extent that election systems have a presence online that that be secure. and so we're act ifrly out there now telling state and local officials what the department of homeland security can do to help them. better secure their
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what would you do if you were elected about aleppo? >> about? >> aleppo? >> and what is aleppo? >> you're kidding. >> no. believe me, no one is taking this more seriously than me. i feel horrible. well rg you acronym when he said aleppo. and, guilty. it's fair game. i'm running for president of the united states. iespect the process. and for those that believe this is a disqualifier, so be it. >> gary johnson, first big gaffe of the campaign. we'll get to that with "the roundtable." editor of "the weekly standard" bill kristol, e.j. dionne, the
wrong." republican congresswoman marsha blackburn. and john heilemann from bloomberg politics and stephanie rawlings-blake. hillary clinton off her peak of an eight-point lead in august. not a lot of movement in the race. >> you're seeing indicators that people, not surprisingly given the clear choice they've got, have made up their minds and it will be hard to change their minds. you see a couple of things here. where does she have room to grow she's got 79% of the people who approve of president obama. his approval number is quite high in this polling. >> quite high. 58%. it seems hard to believe. i gotta tell you. >> it's higher than most of the other polls. whether it's 58 or 55, he's positive. she's still got some room to grow there. it's hard to see where trump can pick up, but i think the danger
in the poll which shows that the people who are going to jill stein or gary johnson tend now to be coming from her. i don't think trump can win this by building up his vote very high, because i think he's got a ceiling. he's got to push her people off to the third party candidates or to abstention. and that's the last lesson that i take from this poll. she needs to motivate her side. a little more than she has. >> i think that's right. one of the things we're seeing, maybe e.j.'s right. those rock-hard supporters, the people with donald trump right now, much more excited about him than hillary clinton supporters are about her. >> that's right. the enthusiasm is on the trump side in this. and clinton supporters are not excited about that race. and i think that enthusiasm gap will come into play with this. and it's why you probably will see some erosion to stein and johnson from the clinton camp.
that's significant is looking on what is happening on the ground in the states. with the state games. with the ground games that are there. basically, when you look at polling, you have to look at the state polling to see what is happening. i was in new hampshire yesterday. trump is doing very well there. and, there is a lot of enthusiasm in that ground game. >> there is a new poll out this morning, a marist poll showing a one-point race in new hampshire. what do you think about the enthusiasm gap? and how does hillary cnt prevent the bleeding off to gary johnson and jill stein? >> i think the trump supporters overstate the enthusiasm gap. i know democrats all over this country that are thrilled about the prospect of having secretary clinton as our next president. to the contrary, i meet so many republicans at are ashamed of the behavior of donald trump. during this race. i had a conversation yesterday
brand-new -- with a 2-year-old daughter, who said there was no way he could raise his daughter in a world where donald trump is the president. it's just not aligned with his priorities. >> bill kristol has not been enthusiastic about donald trump. one of the things you see in this poll, he is consolidating that republican vote. >> to some degree. i don't think this race is over. i've been thinking for some two, three weeks how people are overestimating that hillar the big problem he has in the abc/"washington post" poll is he qualified to be president? very simple question. 36% yes. 60% say no. you know, 36% of the public thinks -- only 36% thinks you're qualified to be president. you have a problem. on the other hand, people want change. what's hillary clinton's message? that's the thing that strikes me the most. what will she change? i think trump should put up an ad, you want change, i'm going to change things. i'm going to build the wall.
whatever. what is hillary clinton going to change about the path we're on? >> up until the deplorable comment the other day, it seemed the clinton campaign was trying to show they were changing. more press conferences. a little more personal. trying to put out a little more policy. >> look, they are -- there's a consensus among the two campaigns right now. she's ahead. the race is tightening. he has a very, very narrow path to 270 electoral votes. she has a lot of different paths. but they are ahead in brooklyn. they're looking over their some of those things you're talking about reflect that. they keep hearing it's not enough to just disqualify donald trump. they understand there has to be some degree of personal appeal and positive message. they keep getting drawn into these debates that are mostly negative. >> i don't think she meant to, she wanted to put half of trump's supporters into that basket of deplorables.
statement saying she regretted using the word half. it was a real sorry/not sorry statement. she doubled down on what she's been saying about donald trump. >> first, any presidential candidate going into a fund raiser should write on their hand, i am a candidate, not a political analyst. you shouldn't analyze the voters. it always gets you into trouble. on the other hand, your point is well taken. she quickly pivoted off that. she realized, nope, i shouldn't have said it that way. but she moved it to where there is a case to be made. this is an extreme campaign. the campaign chief is from breitbart. there is -- the alt-right is important here. that's the difference with the 47%. romney couldn't go anywhere from that that was constructive. she's trying to move this way. she still should not have said it, and she knows it. >> i've gotta tell you, hillary's 50% comment, it is
people heard what she said. i've got to tell you, when you look at things like corruption, the clinton foundation, her comments about she wouldn't put ground troops in, that is what causes people some concern. and then they say, you think half the country, 50% of the country fits a basket of deplorables, irredeemable, not america. i think it was so insulting to so many people, firefighters. military. >> and the best about hillary clinton is, when she insults people, she apologizes for it. we never hear that -- >> she did not apologize. she did a half hearted, sorry i got caught. >> she didn't say half the country. she said half the trump supporters -- >> she said half are ir redeemable deplorables. the other half are these kind of pitiable americans who
she should acknowledge. that's insulting in way, too. there are plenty of people, i don't agree with them, supporting trump because he's the republican nominee. they're willing to forgiver things he's said and done. both candidates, bizarrely, in a competitive election, spend great amount of time on their base and insulting the others. instead of trying to win people over. >> is this comment going to matter a month from now? >> i think she apologized relatively cleanly, particularly donald trump to apologize about anything. comparatively speaking, her apology was relatively clean. it's fine to attack your opponent. stay away from attacking the electorate. the other thing that is a problem is that donald trump has attacked her as a bigot over and over again. there was never before this moment, never a time in which you could kind of justify that, where she had said anything that met the dictionary definition of
close to the dix dictionary definition of bigoted. it gives trump a talking point he'll go back to again and again. >> could i say the real cost of this is, if she hadn't said that, we would be talking about donald trump's love affair with vladimir putin or a million other subjects. that's where the news was going. and all the dissent in bill's party over what he's saying about putin. instead, we're talking about this. >> each candidate does a good job every week of trying to lose this campaign. i mean, the other one's destroying himself or herself. and the other one steps in and >> raising $6 million. this is what is in her heart of hearts. this is what she thinks about people that are out there in fly-over country, if you will. that is why these 50 state polls are so important. >> when you talk about what's in your heart of hearts, you have to look, to your point, about someone who is praising and idolizing putin. we're here having a lively political debate. that doesn't happen in russia. when they criticize putin, they
and no one gets prosecuted for it. to have someone showing you in their heart that is what they consider true leadership, that should affect people. >> other senate candidates put in difficult positions as well. but donald trump not backing down at all on that praise. >> no, that's amazing. it's pretty disqualifying for me. the most depressing thing for me as a conservative and a republican for all these years is seeing other conservatives and republicans moving over now. they feel they have to defend trump. they have to sort of defend his comments on putin. they're rationalizing and defending an anti-american dictator. if the republican party has stood for anything over the last quarter century, it's that we're pretty tough in opposing anti-american dictators. >> i felt so sorry for giuliani
>> why does he have to? >> i don't think he was pained at all. you thought he was? >> it looked it. >> you're being nice to a fellow mayor. you mayors all stick together. >> we have to. >> speaking about russia, you keep hearing, oh, they've got the 30,000 e-mails that were deleted from hillary clinton's server. there's more to come in this election. jeh johnson would not come down definitively and say that russia was behind the hack. most intelligence officials believe they were. >> this is a scary thing. and with the electronic voting and number of states that don't have a paper ballot as a backup. this is a scary thing. the one thing, i think substantively, it's a horrible thing he's doing with putin. politically, it's also harmful because now the democrats have an argument that if something comes out of russia, to discredit her, this becomes a story about why are the
interfere in our election? which is a conversation she would very much like to have. >> john heilemann. >> what about the clinton foundation relationship with frank geestra. and with -- >> what about the trump foundation and illegal campaign foundations. there's a difference between allegations and evidence. >> there's a lot of evidence on wrong doing of the clinton foundation. >> we're likely to see it come up at the debates. no question about that. i want to talk about that for a minute. we saw a forum. the candidates back to back. lots of attentio what did you take away from that looking ahead to the debates? >> i think that there's a -- to the extent that in the moment, it seemed as trump had a better night than hillary clinton in terms of style and the immediate aftermath. then as people started to focus on substance, the clinton campaign was able to get that conversation back where it wanted to be. i do think that what we'll see is a different kind of environment on the debate stage.
where trump is pressed to engage if a sustained, as much as you can in a relatively short ti timeframe, a sustained set of arguments that will be more driven by policy and substance. she's got to worry about his ability to bluster his way through anything. and obviously, the stakes will be high for both of them. i think that if it becomes a matter of substance. he's in a one-on-one environment. he's never been in that situation. she's been in many debates before. she'll have a strong advantage coming in. >> how aggressive should she be? >> it's tricky. she needs to be aggressive enough to challenge trump when he says things that are not true. but she's also selling herself. and this gs oe bill's point. she needs to give voters a comfortable place to go to oppose trump. she's got a tricky path. what was fascinating in the wake of this debate and the critique of matt lauer from democrats, we
hearing conservatives do an excellent job trashing the media and saying the media is biased. toward liberals and democrats. suddenly, you have an attack here that puts the debate moderators a little bit on notice. particularly on the question of fact-checking during the debate. before this, they might have been reluctant to do it. after the reviews he got, i think the pressure is reversed. that is at least what the democrats are hoping. >> and the clinton camp, they said it was not a great night. but might be good for them in the long run. do you agree? >> because they can spin the right-winger. whose brutally tough questioning of hillary clinton is unfair. when you have a weak candidate, you blame the media. believe me, i'm a republican. on the republican side we've done that. we've done it -- totally, and lost those elections. i think the fact that the left blamed the media, shows trump doesn't know anything about foreign policy. and what he says in many cases is really abhorrent. but in the evening, he looked more presidential than she did. >> hillary can't remember what
foreign policy. if she got briefings or not. and then she has great clarity on what would be confidential or the header but couldn'temember if "c" was for a paragraph -- >> and you haverump who knows better than anyone in the world now krur the isis problem. who knows better than any general in the world -- >> he would listen to the generals. >> which one is it? >> he wouldn't predetermine that he's not going to put troops in. >> national security is the number one issue.
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